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Old 06-29-2011, 07:54 PM   #1
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Е-100 – Wonder-weapon of the Third Reich

Е-100 – Wonder-weapon of the Third Reich.





Historical background

Panzerkampfwagen E-100 (Gerät 383) (TG-01) was an example of a German super heavy tank, developed near the end of WW II.

Design and construction of a prototype model was done by Adler Construction Company in Frankfurt am Main. Work started on July 30th 1943. Despite a direct order from Hitler at the end of 1944 to stop all development of super heavy tanks, the work continued and assembly of prototype began in Haustenbeck, near Paderborn. At the beginning of 1945, chassis and suspension system were completed. For initial test runs the tank was fitted with the Maybach HL 230 engine, Maybach OG 401216 transmission and a Henschel L 801 steering control (also used on the Tiger II Ausf. B). 1000mm-wide tracks were developed by the Adler company. But the tanks fitted with these tracks were too big for the railway platforms, therefore as it was with the Tiger they developed a narrow track for transportation purposes, furthermore protective plating for the chassis and tracks were removed when the tank was being transported. The E-100 used a standard German transmission: The engine was placed at the rear and to the side and traction wheels were placed in front. The Armor values were: 240mm (Front) and 120mm (Side). The turret was never constructed during the war, so for the test runs a lead weight was used it was also as heavy as the turret was expected to be. The armament wasn’t manufactured either, but the plan was to fit the E-100 with the 150cm or 170cm gun, paired with the 75mm weapon in the Maus turret or in Krupp turret version a 128mm gun paired with a 75mm. With the Henschel it was planned to install a 128mm gun. It was assumed, that E-100 with the Maybach HL 234 engine and Maybach "Mekydro" steering control it would reach speeds of up to 40 km/h.

Prototype model


The first prototype was never completed – allied forces discovered it at a plant in 1945. The partially completed vehicle was removed by the British Army for evaluation and then scrapped.
The prototype was fitted with HL230P30 engine instead of HL234, due to unavailability of production materials from the Maybach. King Tiger and Panther tanks which also carried this engine, but it was barely powerful enough for heavy tanks let alone super heavy tanks. The prototype had 15cm tank gun Kwk44, although the final decision between 15cm and 17cm tank gun was never made. The hull had sloped armor – standard for post-1943 designs. Wheel design was similar to that of the King Tiger and Panther.
During work on the “E”-class tanks many new technologies were developed, however they were never put to use until the 60’s during tank development for the Bundeswehr. As it was mentioned before, shortage of materials made production of even small batches of these tanks was rather problematic.





Opinion of experienced players.

GoHaRu.Com: E-100 as well as Maus presumed to be wunderwaffe – a wonder-weapon developed to win a drawn out war. A product of insane armament drive (found in that era of the war) bound into a single design, but unlike Maus, this super heavy tank was never completely built – chassis were only made, without the turret. Why do you think the developers decided to bring this fantasy tank into the game? Could it be true, that they did it in order to please German tech fans? Tired of the Maus which is not overly popular in Clan War encounters.

baRUSH [RED]:
I don’t think it was done to please fans. More likely, developers decided to diversify the branch of German tanks with a damage dealer, at present, the Maus usually acts as a shield for other tanks.

_Pastor_:
Well, first of all, when we cast a glance on the final of “Ural Steel”, we will see that Maus's were quite popular there. Moreover, when we are talking about clanwars we can see that the Maus used as a defender is the norm in many stratergies. However, if we take a look at other tier 10 heavy tanks, we can see an interesting situation: The Russian IS-7 – a powerful assault tank, used as the spearhead for offensive attacks, The American T30 – close support tank used to cover the IS-7 acting as a second line of attack, The German Maus - tank for base defense/slow-paced attack in an urban environment. Admirers of German machinery did not agree that German hardware had to follow the principles of: Slow but well armored and well armed. So, in order to increase playability of German heavy tanks, the E-100 was brought in. Sergey Burkatovskiy once confessed that at some point they were at a loss on what to do with the Maus – as nothing would save it – no one was using them in Clan Wars. A great help was the introduction of armor screens and a hitpoints increase, the Maus started to win battles in Clan Wars but it was still clear that the IS-7 and T30 far more popular. So I think the introduction of the E-100 was done to balance out the tech tree's at tier t10.


GoHaRu.Com
: Speaking of the German tanks this one is first of all amazing in terms of armor. And I don't use the word amazing lightly: Front armor of 200mm and side armor of 120mm with a shellproof turret... it's just like Maus v2.0. If you take a look at what SerB said in his last interview: This machine will fill a damage dealing niche (In the German tech tree), so do you think this armor will stay?

baRUSH [RED]:
It is very unlikely that this armor will remain untouched. As a rule of thumb WoT concerntrates on three principles: Armor (Maus), Damage (T30), and a happy medium between these two (IS-7). That is why we can be absolutely sure, that E-100 won't have the same wonder-armor as the Maus (Or it may have many weak spots).

_Pastor_:
You have most probably tried to shoot Gw-E with a heavy tank tier 10 and medium tank tier 9, so try and picture this armor reinforced on the E-100. Currently, Gw-E armor gives a steady protection from splash damage and gives a great number of ricochets (tier 9 mediums and tier 10 heavy tanks usually have to aim a little longer to guarantee a good hit meaning it takes a little longer to kill) If were to carry this ricocheting ability onto a tier 10 we would get a good-ricocheting tank that should be shot only in the tracks, lower plating, command pod, driver's hatch, side and rear armor (under 90 degrees); this means that this tank can be used offensively and that was intended by the developers, so there is no need to nerf the armor.


GoHaRu.Com
: The guns that are planned to be mounted on this tank: 150mm KWK 44 L/38 and 170mm KWK 44 N, accordingly. What do you think the developers will choose the: 150mm or 170mm? And what is your impression of these guns?

baRUSH [RED]:
As it was already written in dev.'s notes, we won't see this tank with the 170mm gun, and Storm's interview has shown that it will have a 150mm gun with HE ammunition, however Storm also claimed, that they will try and make it more competitive with regards to the 128mm gun, and thus, relevant for Clan Wars. So let's imagine the Hummel's weapon on a seriously armored heavy tank: we will get very good damage + knocked out crew, this will degrade the tanks ability to work effectively (even a gold kit works only once, and crits happen almost every shot), and if we hit some weak points (e.g. rear part of T30) then it can one-shot or atleast do terrifying damage.

_Pastor_:
*thoughtfully* Many models here have this problem: for playability of top-tanks they are mounted with the best guns, that are competitive on the battlefield. Meaning guns that were used in real life are actually one or two tiers lower. Keeping that in mind I think that should the 150mm gun disappoint the developers on the supertest server then by the open test we will get a E-100 with a 170mm gun. Though, in my opinion it could be a little over the top (OP).


GoHaRu.Com
: According to project documentation E-100 should have engine of at least 1200 h.p., that would allow it to accelerate up to 40 km/h, but the prototype model was fitted with engine with 700 h.p., and barely made it to 20 km/h. How fast do you think the tank will actually be able to go?

baRUSH [RED]:
Most probably it will be something around 30 km/h at max., making it more versatile and dynamic than the Maus, but promised afterburning option should come in handy while crossing open ground. One thing that gives uncertainty is: How long will afterburning last?If it can only be used for one minute then it may only be used in emergencies.

_Pastor_:
This whole thing is now rests in hands of the developers. If they decide on DD - it will be a 700 h.p., engine, but... where's the good of second Maus? This branch will sag a lot should they decide to do it. Should they decide on something Different from Maus - it will be a powerful engine (even if wasn't in project documentation)... They can, for example, find "Secret Blueprints of the Third Reich" with 950 h.p. engine, make speed capability of 30 km/h and we will have a sort of hybrid between «Königstiger» (Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf. B «Tiger II») and VK 4502 (P) Ausf. B at the tier 10. So I suppose it will be less than or equal to 28-32-36 km/h.


GoHaRu.Com
: I recall long discussions about the turret of this tank, if I'm not mistaken there were three main options: Krupp Turret, Maus Turret and Henschel Turret (this one was most popular due to its appearance). Other two made the tank look like some modification of the Maus. So, what do you think of its appearance?

baRUSH [RED]:
Well, I am very sorry that they have decided not to use Henschel Turret - as many players chose German branch of development due to its appearance. Kupp Turrent and Mausturm makes E-100 look less natural.

_Pastor_:
It's fine. Goes well with the concept of German Heavy tanks and the style of WWII tanks as a whole. As I recall no one complains that medium tanks starting from the 3001Н - 3002DB - Panther 1 - Panther 2 - have almost similar (chopped) turrets? And it is just the same situation here - if the tank is going to be good no one will be bothered by its appearance.

GoHaRu.Com: Wonder-armor and a huge gun: what if E-class renders the Maus useless?

baRUSH [RED]:
No, I don't think it will happen. The Maus has settled nicely in its steel wall niche, even if E-100 has the same kind of armor, it most probably has a lot less hitpoints which will remove it from the Maus's niche.

_Pastor_:
I think that developers are going to do it this way: At the start it is going to be a super heavy tank in all respects (as it once was with the T32, having shellproof front armor and highly-accurate 105mm gun). To sum it all up "Wonder-armor and a huge gun" It will rule the battlefield, making those who don't have them really envious, promoting people to level up faster and have their own top-tank, and to use it in Clan Wars. Perfectly healthy promo-move, as it once was with "Lion" and "KV-5", when a new tank arrives in the game, allowing a more 'cookie cutter' playstyle (less effort with better results) but requiring a one off payment. This move allows the game to continue, and developers to keep the projecting rolling.



Answers from developers

GoHaRu.Com: E-100 as well as Maus presumed to be wunderwaffe – a wonder-weapon developed to win a drawn out war. A product of insane armament drive (found in that era of the war) bound into a single design, but unlike Maus, this super heavy tank was never completely built – chassis were only made, without the turret. Why do you think the developers decided to bring this fantasy tank into the game? Could it be true, that they did it in order to please German tech fans? Tired of the Maus which is not overly popular in Clan War encounters.

SerB:
Well, on the topic of low usability - battles in the supreme division of "Ural Steel" were conducted with 7x8 Maus. So, there is no room for debate on this matter. Why are we implement it? For players' fun, after all, this is our primary goal.

GoHaRu.Com: Speaking of the German tanks this one is first of all amazing in terms of armor. And I don't use the word amazing lightly: Front armor of 200mm and side armor of 120mm with a shellproof turret... it's just like Maus v2.0. If you take a look at what SerB said in his last interview: This machine will fill a damage dealing niche (In the German tech tree), so do you think this armor will stay?

SerB:
When considering the shellproof turret - it is not all that bright and sunny, as there were very strict limitations on weight. So this turret will be easy to penetrate from the sides and thus we will be able to balance the tank. Another strange observation is this inexplicable German love for barn-looking tanks in real life, but thats how it is.


GoHaRu.Com
: I think all of the tank fans know that E-100 project included plans to mount not only the 150mm KWK 44 L/38 gun but also the 170mm KWK 44 N gun. Will the tank have 170mm gun or you will it just have the 150mm gun (which still commands quite a big respect)?

SerB:
Fans confuse one thing with another a little bit. 170mm gun was to be fitted on SP-gun based on E-100 and Jentz's book. So if you install a 170mm gun on the E-100 turret, you may be able to fit it (visually), but the ability to elevate the gun will be none existent. So lame and no pwning.


GoHaRu.Com
: So what weapon will the E-100 have? Will it be really different from current "pwner" T30 gun?

SerB:
You can fit both the 128mm and the 150 L37 - practically Hummel gun but a tank version. Penetration and damage values are a little worse than the American tank.

GoHaRu.Com: According to project documentation E-100 should have engine of at least 1200 h.p., that would allow it to accelerate up to 40 km/h, but the prototype model was fitted with engine with 700 h.p., and barely made it to 20 km/h. How fast do you think the tank will actually be able to go?

SerB:
Well, the problem is the E-100 hit a brick wall when reality was taken into consideration: German engineers working in the French military were tentatively able to pull the engine up to 1000 h.p. So E-100 will be faster than Maus but that's it.


GoHaRu.Com
: I recall long discussions about the turret of this tank, if I'm not mistaken there were three main options: Krupp Turret, Maus Turret and Henschel Turret (this one was most popular due to its appearance), but the other two made the tank look like some modification of Maus. So, what option did you choose and why?

SerB:
Krupp Turret and Maus Turret are proved by documentation and all the others by post-war models only. By the way, angles of sloped armor on the so-called Henschel turret are suspiciously reminiscent of late Japanese tanks (e.g. Chi-Ri) Taking into account the fact that "Tamiya" is a Japanese company, we have serious doubts regarding the designers of this concept. So, unless existence of Henschel Turret is proved by serious sources E-100 will not have it.


GoHaRu.Com
: So there will be two main options, both resembling the Maus's turret?

SerB:
Well I can't say that Krupp Turret resembles a Maus Turret. Except perhaps by clearance. But that's hardly surprising considering: Similar (In resembalance) guns, similar tier: similar clearances.


GoHaRu.Com
: Wonder-armor and a huge gun: what if E-class renders the Maus useless?

SerB:
Hardly - it is a damage dealer not a “Team shield”.





Old 07-01-2011, 08:33 AM   #2
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I heard of this tank but I know a larger tank called the Ratte P1000. This was built by the Germans but the tank was cancelled due to major issues.
Old 07-01-2011, 08:30 PM   #3
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God damn thats an ugly ass turret, why they did not go for the Henchel one instead of Krupp is beyond me.
Bet the rangefinder is going to be weakspot number one...
Old 07-03-2011, 11:37 PM   #4
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God damn thats an ugly ass turret, why they did not go for the Henchel one instead of Krupp is beyond me.
Bet the rangefinder is going to be weakspot number one...
SerB states why in the interview "So, unless existence of Henschel Turret is proved by serious sources E-100 will not have it."
Old 07-04-2011, 09:23 PM   #5
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Thumbs down ugly ugly turret

sry for the words but... in the name of all saints...¡ what the h**** is that turret¡¡¡ Out of all the turrets they had to choose between, they haaaad to go for the most stupid looking ugly one, just because the designers are lazy. and chose the one thats easiest to 3-d design and make. due to its boxy design.

I give you an idea of ​​how it should be a German tank E-100

http://www.themworkshop.com/mstudio/...9_e100_002.jpg
Old 07-05-2011, 07:11 AM   #6
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I like the idea Odissseo, but the turret does make some sence since they scrapped this and went for the maus instead later on.


Also why do people keep saying that Ratte P1000 was build? It never was, it got canceled in 1943 before any were actually constructed.
Same goes for the Ratte P 1500 Monster.
Old 07-10-2011, 04:15 AM   #7
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The Ratte and the Monster huge tanks. They were both built by a company called Krupp who built the Gustava and Dora. The Monster was to have the same gun as the Gustava. The person who cancelled the them was Albert Speer.
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