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Old 06-24-2011, 03:04 PM   #1 
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M46 Patton - New general 9-lvl

M46 Patton - New general 9-lvl


Historical reference


The M46 was a medium tank that was designed in the United States. It was the first tank to be named after General George S. Patton, commander of the U.S. Third Army during World War II and one of the earliest American advocates for the use of tanks in battle. The M46 Patton was an improved M26 Pershing tank and one of the U.S Army's principal medium gun tanks of the early Cold War, with models in service from 1949 to the mid 1950s. On 30 July 1948, the M46 was named the Patton, in honor of General George S. Patton Jr. It was not widely used by U.S. Cold War allies, being exported only to Belgium, and only in small numbers to train crews on the upcoming M47. The M46 tank was designed to replace the M26 Pershing and M4 Sherman.

History

After World War II, most US Army armored units were equipped with a mix of M4 Sherman and M26 Pershing tanks. Designed initially as a heavy tank, the M26 Pershing tank was reclassified as a medium tank postwar. The M26 was a significant improvement over the M4 Sherman in firepower and protection. Its mobility, however, was deemed unsatisfactory for a medium tank, as it used the same engine that powered the much lighter M4A3. Its underpowered engine was also plagued with an unreliable transmission.

Work began in January 1948 on replacing the original power plant with the Continental AV1790-3 engine and Allison CD-850-1 cross-drive transmission. The design was initially called M26E2, but modifications continued to accumulate, and eventually the Bureau of Ordnance decided that the tank needed its own unique designation. When the rebuild began in November, 1949, the upgraded M26 received not only a new power plant and a main gun with a bore evacuator, but a new designation along with a name - simply M46. In total, 1,160 M26s were rebuilt: 800 to the M46 standard, 360 to the M46A1.

Combat service

The only US combat use of the M46 was in the Korean War. On 8 August 1950 the first M46 Patton tanks belonging to the 6th Tank Battalion landed in South Korea. The tank proved superior to the much lighter North Korean T-34-85, which were encountered in relatively small numbers. By the end of 1950, 200 M46 Pattons had been fielded, forming about 15% of the US tank strength in Korea. The balance of 1,326 tanks shipped to Korea during 1950 included 679 M4A3 Shermans, 309 M26 Pershings, and 138 M24 Chaffee light tanks. Subsequent shipments of M46 and M46A1 Pattons allowed all remaining M26 Pershings to be withdrawn during 1951, and most Sherman equipped units were also reequipped.

Known M46 series operators include: 1st Marine Tank Battalion and regimental Antitank Platoons of the 1st Marine Division by 1952, 72nd Tank Battalion of the 2nd Infantry Division by January 1952, 64th Tank Battalion of the 3rd Infantry Division, 73rd Tank Battalion of the 7th Infantry Division by January 1951, 6th Tank Battalion of the 24th Infantry Division, 140th Tank Battalion (took over the tanks of the 6th Tank Battalion) and regimental tank companies of the 40th Infantry Division (CA ARNG) by October 1951, and the 245th Tank Battalion of the 45th Infantry Division (OK ARNG) by 1952. Several other regimental tank companies gained M46/M46A1s by the end of the war, including the 7th and 65th Infantry Regiments of the 3rd Infantry Division.

In the 1950s, small numbers of M46s were leased, at no cost, to some European countries for training purposes, including Belgium, France and Italy, in preparation for the introduction of the M47. US instruction teams used the vehicles to train European tank crews and maintenance personnel.





Opinions of experienced players


GoHa.Ru : Why was it needed? This is, probably, the most asked question of owners of American medium tanks right now. Reason for the introduction of the T110 was more or less clear – replacement of a “cardboard” tank with a real one, but in this case many players just do not understand why the Patton change has to happen, since the statistics of Pershing and Patton tanks are very similar. So why do you think developers made this change?

Ratis [RKKA] :
I think the situation is similar to the case of the Panther and Panther 2. The Patton has slightly more practical angles and a bit more powerful motor. For a tier 9 medium tank (MT) the Pershing is relatively easy to penetrate and does not have enough speed – on small maps, such as “Mines”, it takes longer to get it to the top of a hill than the T54. These additional 4-5 seconds allow enemy heavy tanks (HTs) and artillery to catch Pershing during the climb. Beyond that, I would like to point out that historically the T32 was built as a development of the Pershing into a heavy tank, and it is logical to put them both on the same level.

6arblgan [RED] :
I think the reason is actually T20 and T23, tier 7 and tier 8 medium tanks. They are basically identical, and since one of them will be removed (T23), it has become necessary to pull one higher level tank back and add the Patton.

GoHa.Ru : We already know that the in-game model will be based on the oldest modification of the Patton – M46. Unlike with the newer models, tankers were not really impressed by its parameters. Do you think the in-game parameters of the tank will be slightly modified, similar to what happened with the soviet T-54? For example, could the armor thickness be changed from 102 mm to 120 mm, like in the M48 model?

Ratis [RKKA] :
Most likely, due to balance issues, characteristics of the Patton will be slightly improved. There is no reason to be scared that this tank is unplayable. At the end, sooner or later, it will be good enough to be used not only in random battles, but also in clan wars.

6arblgan [RED] :
There will be some changes, at least I hope so, since the armor of the Pershing is rather weak for a tier 9 medium tank. Frontal 120 mm armor should provide an adequate defense from low armor piercing cannons.

GoHa.Ru : The angle of the hull and turret of the Patton looks rather promising. Do you think this machine will be a “ricocheting” tank? This is a player-created term for tanks with specific armor designs, providing an increased chance for ricochets. Some players are convinced that American tanks, such as the Pershing or the T30, almost never deflect anything. Instead of a ricochet, these tanks just absorb everything that flies in, without taking into account hull/turret angles. Do you think that the Patton will break this unpleasant rule?

Ratis [RKKA] :
I do not think that the Patton will have significantly better deflecting behavior. Well, frontally ricochets will happen more often, but sides will be as vulnerable as ever. Main hope here that the tank will get a nicely formed turret that will allow Patton to fully utilize its deflecting abilities, especially on maps with complex terrain.

6arblgan [RED] :
To pierce through the Pershing, one just needs to shoot at the Pershing. I do not think that this will be the case with the Patton – it has better angles and the armor thickness will be most likely increased. Of course, the Patton still will have the weakest armor among the middle tanks, especially taking into account the incoming introduction of the German E50. But at least it will not be that easily damaged by low-tier enemies in random battles.

GoHa.Ru : Could it be that the introduction of the Patton is a part of the plan to introduce MTs to the global map - firstly Patton, then E-50? Most of the top clans right now are using no more than 2 or 3 MTs, and most often it is the T-54, used for spotting. Maybe the addition of these two new MTs will make MTs as useful as HTs on the global map?

Ratis [RKKA] :
Well, MTs are already not very rare guests on the global map. Just in the last couple of days I have seen a few setups with 5-7 MTs, and these setups were not that easy to compete with. Of course, MTs are not really competitive on city maps, but in open space they easily can be more efficient than HTs.

6arblgan [RED] :
Heavy tanks will still dominate the global map. The main function of a middle tank is to support and not to attack. Quickly occupy a strategic point, spot an enemy without being destroyed, quickly close a defense hole while waiting for main forces to arrive – these are main tasks of a MT on a battlefield. And I personally agree with such distribution of the roles on the global map, even though MTs are my favorite type of tanks.

GoHa.Ru : Probably most important parameters of middle tanks are maneuverability and speed. What mobility characteristics the Patton will have, in your opinion?

Ratis [RKKA] :
Taking into account that now even Pershing can circle around HTs better than the T54, I think that Patton will be at least as good.

6arblgan [RED] :
We have got already the glimpse of maneuverability and speed parameters of the tank in the last Wargaming newsletter. It looks like the mobility should be very similar to the Pershing’s parameters. And this is definitely enough.

GoHa.Ru : One of the peculiarities of the Pershing, which has increased interest of players to this machine, is a very large view distance. Do you think that Patton will have its own distinguishing feature?

Ratis [RKKA] :
It is quite possible that the Patton will have its own peculiarity, different from the Pershing’s. There is a hope that huge distance of visibility will be given to level 5 light tanks to stimulate their use on the global map.

6arblgan [RED] :
I think most positive characteristics of the Pershing will be inherited by the Patton. Many players have leveled Pershings due to their useful properties, and they would be disappointed to get completely different tank. Speaking generally, I see the Patton as a better armored Pershing that retains its main advantages. Specifically, it is not yet known what we shall get at the end; I’m impatiently awaiting official announcements of the developers, or, better yet, a test server.
(Ed. : Players were interviewed before the introduction of the Patton to the test server)





You can already try this machine on the test server!


Developer’s answers


GoHa.Ru : Why was it needed? This is, probably, the most asked question of owners of American medium tanks right now. Reason for the introduction of the T110 was more or less clear – replacement of a “cardboard” tank with a real one, but in this case many players just do not understand why the Patton change has to happen, since the statistics of Pershing and Patton tanks are very similar. So why do you think developers made this change?

Zlobnyi : In this case in-game parameters of the tanks have not played any role. The meaning of the change is to obtain historically equal tanks for all participating armies. The main opponent of the soviet T-54 at that time was indeed the first Patton, M46. The Pershing has appeared already near the end of the war, when the T-44 was passing lasts tests in USSR.

GoHa.Ru : We already know that the in-game model will be based on the oldest modification of the Patton – M46. Unlike with the newer models, tankers were not really impressed by its parameters. Do you think the in-game parameters of the tank will be slightly modified, similar to what happened with the soviet T-54? For example, could the armor thickness be changed from 102 mm to 120 mm, like in the M48 model?

Zlobnyi : It will be possible to install the turret from M26E1, or rather from the Т42,on this tank, and this is only planned “modification”.

GoHa.Ru : The slope of the hull and turret of the Patton looks rather promising. Do you think this machine will be a “ricocheting” tank? This is a player-created term for tanks with specific armor designs, providing an increased chance for ricochets.

Zlobnyi : Yes, its turret can deflect shots rather well, if the enemy’s aim is not good enough. You can test it yourself by visiting our test server.

GoHa.Ru : Probably, most important parameters of medium tanks are maneuverability and speed. What mobility characteristics the Patton will have?

Zlobnyi : Rather good. Almost like the Pershing’s parameters when it was a level 9 tank.

GoHa.Ru : One of the peculiarities of the Pershing, which has drawn to it an interest of players, actively participating in clan wars, is a very large view distance. Will you give the Patton its own distinguishing feature?


Zlobnyi : Excellent visibility will the main feature of this tank. As you have already noticed yourself, there will be no big differences between level 9 Pershing and level 9 Patton.


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Old 06-24-2011, 05:32 PM   #2 
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It is a nerf compared to pershing
Old 06-24-2011, 05:45 PM   #3 
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It is a nerf compared to pershing
did you already tried?
Old 06-24-2011, 06:02 PM   #4 
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No sir. I bet it got his strengt but they nerfed agility and thats a big punch into medium drivers face.
Old 06-24-2011, 06:09 PM   #5 
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but he became more armored
Old 06-24-2011, 07:48 PM   #6 
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Armor stats look identic to me
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large angles of inclination armor is more important than stats ;)
Old 06-25-2011, 05:06 AM   #8 
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It is what it is.

M46 Patton From Wikipedia:

Armor: 102mm
Main Gun: 90mm M3A1, 70 rounds
Engine: Continental 810hp
Speed: 48 kph

If that's what it was, that's what it was.

It makes me crazy to see all the "padded armor", 105mm Tiger II's/Panther II's, 100mm T-34/T-44's, 55kph+ T-54's just because they built one, at one time, for testing purposes. They used what they had available, rather than build a new tank to test a new gun. If it didn't go into production, why do we see fleets of them in the game?

If anything, additional armor was welded on and impacted speed and acceleration.

In terms of the game, it would be a module that added weight to the vehicle while reducing it's performance.

OK, rant over, I love the game, flaws and all.
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According to devs, Patton will be a bit faster, more agile, has better ricochet factor etc. It gonna be lvl "9.5" MT competitive with t54.
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